Expressing Specifics
Aug. 22nd, 2014 02:27 am So I am starting to have enough words to think about grammar (and some of the words I have been giving glyphs required me to think about it). And I have some weird ideas.
Basically, word order is going to be pretty free, where in simple sentences everything is implied from context. If you want to distinguish between Man Bites Dog and Dog Bites Man, you can't write it as a simple setence. "Steak bite hyena" and "Hyena bite steak" are both perfectly valid, though, as is "Bite hyena steak"; all mean that the hyena is biting the steak, because it doesn't make sense that a steak would bite a hyena or hyena a bite, or that the hyena would steak a bite, or that the bite would hyena a steak or steak a hyena.
Confused? As expected. Any word can in principle fill any role in the sentence, though most have a couple senses which are primary. But there is a set of marker words which can be used as simple particles to mark what thematic relation something has. Except it doesn't stop there; thematic relations are largely limited to nouns, and this isn't. There's a Shskle role for behavior verb, and for verb of becoming, and for any number of other things; it encompasses grammatical tense, aspect, mood, and voice, and may do some work for prepositions and maybe some other parts of speech; that I'll figure out later.
This also adds one of the first elements that will be genuinely hard for a non-native speaker to get; these markers can always be applied, and with the progressively-specifying nature of Shskle writing (going back over the written sentence to add more detail, like missing role-markers or clarifying subsentences, is normal and a polite way of indicating that you're growing ready to be interrupted) but are never actually mandatory, and understanding what role a word takes on in context when unmarked is going to be tricky unless you have a native's sense for it. (Though not as bad as the aliens in Kim Stanley Robinson's 'The Translator' - which I would definitely recommend.)
There is one related thing that is mandatory, though: Coindexing. In "I talked to Steve about Dave yesterday, and I'm going to meet him in the park tomorrow", how do you know who 'him' is? In English, you don't; this sentence has ambiguous coindexing. In contrast, "My family met Dave yesterday, and my brother John likes him" is unambiguous; 'him' refers to Dave. (There are rules about this, distinguishing pronouns, anaphors like 'himself', and certain other things.) In Shskle, this is done differently; there's a common set of basically-meaningless reference glyphs that can be used for indexing; putting one of these glyphs modifying two different words indicates that they refer to the same thing, action, idea, etc. The set of markers would probably acquire some meaning over time, but it's all basically connotational.
Another thing Shskle will have is some unusual ways of indicating simple conjuctions and emphasis. If you want to say 'very', you don't have a glyph for that. Instead, you double the glyph that's being emphasized, side by side like a hopscotch grid. "The dog is very tired"? Say "Dog tired/tired", with the two tireds placed like 2 and 3 in this image. Other things can also be done in this manner; there's no word for 'each', but there is a word for 'one thing' and a word for 'every thing', and if placed together side by side they convey 'each thing', i.e. every thing, but each considered individually. The same construction would probably also be used to indicate one object, considered as a group. Some ambiguity is going to happen.
Anyway, still working my way through the ULD (I'm still in chapter one, actually). Read a general guide to conlanging and it mentioned Ouwi', a language which fully explored some of the properties I'm thinking about for Shskle. It's cool, take a look.
Basically, word order is going to be pretty free, where in simple sentences everything is implied from context. If you want to distinguish between Man Bites Dog and Dog Bites Man, you can't write it as a simple setence. "Steak bite hyena" and "Hyena bite steak" are both perfectly valid, though, as is "Bite hyena steak"; all mean that the hyena is biting the steak, because it doesn't make sense that a steak would bite a hyena or hyena a bite, or that the hyena would steak a bite, or that the bite would hyena a steak or steak a hyena.
Confused? As expected. Any word can in principle fill any role in the sentence, though most have a couple senses which are primary. But there is a set of marker words which can be used as simple particles to mark what thematic relation something has. Except it doesn't stop there; thematic relations are largely limited to nouns, and this isn't. There's a Shskle role for behavior verb, and for verb of becoming, and for any number of other things; it encompasses grammatical tense, aspect, mood, and voice, and may do some work for prepositions and maybe some other parts of speech; that I'll figure out later.
This also adds one of the first elements that will be genuinely hard for a non-native speaker to get; these markers can always be applied, and with the progressively-specifying nature of Shskle writing (going back over the written sentence to add more detail, like missing role-markers or clarifying subsentences, is normal and a polite way of indicating that you're growing ready to be interrupted) but are never actually mandatory, and understanding what role a word takes on in context when unmarked is going to be tricky unless you have a native's sense for it. (Though not as bad as the aliens in Kim Stanley Robinson's 'The Translator' - which I would definitely recommend.)
There is one related thing that is mandatory, though: Coindexing. In "I talked to Steve about Dave yesterday, and I'm going to meet him in the park tomorrow", how do you know who 'him' is? In English, you don't; this sentence has ambiguous coindexing. In contrast, "My family met Dave yesterday, and my brother John likes him" is unambiguous; 'him' refers to Dave. (There are rules about this, distinguishing pronouns, anaphors like 'himself', and certain other things.) In Shskle, this is done differently; there's a common set of basically-meaningless reference glyphs that can be used for indexing; putting one of these glyphs modifying two different words indicates that they refer to the same thing, action, idea, etc. The set of markers would probably acquire some meaning over time, but it's all basically connotational.
Another thing Shskle will have is some unusual ways of indicating simple conjuctions and emphasis. If you want to say 'very', you don't have a glyph for that. Instead, you double the glyph that's being emphasized, side by side like a hopscotch grid. "The dog is very tired"? Say "Dog tired/tired", with the two tireds placed like 2 and 3 in this image. Other things can also be done in this manner; there's no word for 'each', but there is a word for 'one thing' and a word for 'every thing', and if placed together side by side they convey 'each thing', i.e. every thing, but each considered individually. The same construction would probably also be used to indicate one object, considered as a group. Some ambiguity is going to happen.
Anyway, still working my way through the ULD (I'm still in chapter one, actually). Read a general guide to conlanging and it mentioned Ouwi', a language which fully explored some of the properties I'm thinking about for Shskle. It's cool, take a look.